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Well-said, Mary! Yay! The jig is indeed up! I wrote about this briefly on my blog http://www.compassionatecooks.com/blog/index.html, but you're a much bigger person than I am: I didn't include a link to Pollans' book! :)

As an almost 99.9% vegetarian, I must disagree with your beliefs. To lay the groundwork: I do not believe in this mythical god creature that many so bow down to. I make and create almost everything I eat from scratch. From the bread I knead by hand from the grains I milled by stone that I ferment with the bacteria I harvest from the air to the countless other foods I prepare myself for my family and I. I eat out .5 times a year, and there are never any type of boxed food items in my home (from cereal to mac n' cheese).

I do choose to eat meat on occasion when it has been given to me by a friend who has killed a dear with the bow he crafted himself from the tree he planted himself in exchange I offer some of the alcohol that I have fermented myself again from strains of bacteria I have harvested myself.

Put simply, your concept of why not to eat animals is an immature one. As our ancestors struggled for survival over tens of thousands of years, they ate meat. As other animals fight to stay alive in this strange world, they eat meat. You would not be here today flaunting your educational achievements if it were not for the efforts of these beings over time... eating meat.

Is it wrong for a cheetah to track down a wounded or weak gazelle on the plains? Is it wrong for a raptor to swoop down on a smaller bird or fish? These practices have been established for millions of years, and are here to stay.

Do not mistake me, I am totally against the institutionalized production of meat in our society. I also choose to eat this deer that my friend has killed because I believe there is no difference in this and eating a carrot. Both actions take the life of a another. This may be too strange a concept for some, but there is life in plants, as there is life in the billions of bacteria currently residing in your intestinal region.

I believe that as long as we tend to and care for life in a sustainable and respectful manner then we can continue to coexist with them as we have done for ages.

John,
I do not believe in god, so I'm not sure what we disagree on there.
As for my concept being "immature," it is irrelevant what our ancestors did. We can choose to not take the life of a sentient being when we do not need to in order to survive. I have no idea why you'd call that notion "immature."
Next, who cares what cheetahs do? They are carnivores, and they kill for their food because they need to. We, on the other hand, do not need to kill a gazelle for food.
And finally, carrots are not sentient beings with the same capacity to experience pleasure, pain, boredom and frustration as deer have.

Mr. Foster... I have a disagreement in what you define as "sustainable and respectful" as animal agriculture isn't sustainable if/when we reach the 10 billion population mark expected by the end of the century. And I certainly don't see how removing an innocent being from this earth (simply because they taste good) is "respectful". But I suppose these words are not unlike others that are left to perverse interpretations such as "humane" or "compassionate".

And Mary, I'm glad you addressed the issue concerning carrots today. I just defended eating cabbage yesterday.

If there's no moral difference between "killing" a carrot and killing a deer, then there's no moral difference between killing a carrot and killing the next human who annoys me. The same goes for eating. Your ethics, John, logically permits cannibalism - it is far worse than merely "immature" (and the ethics supporting veganism is anything but immature).

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