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November 19, 2007

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Gary

Hi Mary,

I just wrote a long comment and somehow it got erased and I couldn't recover it. So this version may be a little roughhewn and not flow so well.

Here are some thoughts in no particular order.

FYI I believe in a God but am part of no specific religion, because none - as practiced anyway - closely enough reflect my views.

Also, I thought your responses to Mr. Colson's arguments were right on the money.

- Most Christians are not as intransigent as Mr. Colson. They may not be veg*an, but they get that confining pigs in an area so small they cannot even turn around is wrong. That's why referendums to ban the practice pass in states where Christianity is the dominant religion.

- The Christian Vegetarian Association has a very well-worded, pro-veg brochure called "are we good stewards of God's creation?" It uses references in the Bible and quotes from religious figures to show the wrongness of inflicting suffering or death for pleasure. It also deals with many of the common religion-based defenses of animal exploitation and has a veg starter guide section. You can read the brochure, sans illustrations and pull-quotes, here: http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/honoring.htm

- When talking to Christians, I try to show how killing and harming others for pleasure violates tenets of their own faith...

- The Golden Rule says "others," not "other humans" or "other men." "Thou shalt not kill" is unqualified; let us interpret as widely, not as narrowly, as possible.

- Jesus repeatedly calls for mercy. So do the latter prophets ("God desires mercy, not [animal] sacrifice" - Hosea). Killing or harming others unnecessarily is profoundly unmerciful.

- "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." We don't have to wait till heaven or the second coming to do good, or to act in God's image, which above all should be a manifestation as much as possible of boundless love. God's ideal vision is a super-vegan world where all sentient beings live in harmony. Although we can't achieve that level of perfection here on Earth, we have the ability and thus the obligation to be as good as possible. This means being humble, not selfish. Compassionate, not cold-hearted. To paraphrase Tom Regan, we can take a step toward Eden by choosing to refrain from killing or harming other creatures as much as practically possible.

- Jesus today would be a vegan activist. Using direct action, He liberated animals in the Temple and for that he was crucified. Modern Christians have watered down and substantioally altered the interpretation of that crucial incident in Christianity. Adcording to the revised version, Jesus was concerned not with the mass killing and animal suffering but with overcharging. That is ludicrous. Here is a person who compared a hen's love for her chicks to God's love for us, who reminded people that God cares for the sparrow sold for next-to-nothing, and who preached to animals in the field. He must have been incensed that priests took people's money to crudely kill thousands upon thousands of innocent animals in a holy place.

- Jesus didn't hunt and never said a word in praise of hunting or any other animal abuse. There is no record of him eating meat, other than fish - maybe - and only in a few circumstances. It is inconceivable that he would condone factory farms or, for that matter, the dishonest, deceptive misuse of the word "humane."

- In the ten commandments, animals are supposed to get a day of rest. With their engineered obesity, human-imnposed mutilations, and unnatural living conditions, they never truly rest. Plus transport and slaughterhouses do not necessarily stop on the sabbath. Thus eating animals almost always violates the ten commandments. Gluttony is a deadly sin. Killing animals against their will because you like the taste of their flesh is gluttony. It's also prideful to a ghastly degree; pride is another deadly sin. So is greed.

- God never commands anyone to eat meat. Many passages in the bible that may seem pro-meat can be explained in other terms. God never created the animals for our use. He created the animals before us and the animals were declared "very good" on their own terms. (Nothing else in the bible is termed "very good.") God makes covenants with the animals independent from those made with humans. Clearly animals have tremendous intrinisc worth.

- People are predisposed to interpret things in ways that support the lifestyles in which they're deeply vested. But part of being a good Christian, or a good person, is to have the honesty to see one's own moral shortcomings and try to fix them, in order to be a better person. To be a person of faith and to treat all sentient beings with compassion and respect is to serve God in the truest way.

- God doesn't need our worship and love to feel good. He is omnipotent. But the sentient beings in His Creation - they suffer, they have interests, they have will to live, they know and seek happiness. We all seek peace of mind, and that can be accomplished through widening our circle of compassion to be as inclusive as possible.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. The religious and non-religious both come up with no end of rationalizations for their immoral habits. Most of us used to, also. I believe people fear pulling away from their comfort zones, and meat-eating is a comfort zone for many in this society. They don't want to be different, or have an impoverished diet, or earn others' wrath or jeopardize relationships. It's unsurprising that people of faith would want cosmic permission for an activity to which they're deeply emotionally attached. Then they don't have to think about it any more.

But in most cases, it's not so easy. We're blessed with consciences. We know in our hearts that causing others to suffer and die for us when it's perfectly avoidable is wrong. We know that exploitation violates the very concept of a loving and merciful God. When we have the honesty and moral conviction - and perhaps discipline and support and inspiration - to act in accordance with our deepest moral principles - being humble, being merciful, being unselfish, helping others, loving others - we cannot help but benefit immensely. We all rise and fall together. We are all of the same source, of the same dust, and when we strive to live in harmony even the most ardent atheist may experience something quite spiritual and magnificent.

Gary

Other excellent vegan Christian sites:

www.all-creatures.org

www.episcoveg.com

Lisa

I absolutely agree with Gary. I would like to add a thought I had about "The Golden Rule". When I talk about "TGR" with some omni-Christians their rationalization is that "others" only refers to "other people". While I disagree, I had trouble persuading them until I realized that "TGR" is not about who the "others" are, but about the action you are taking. It is intended to remind us that if an action is bad enough that we would not want it to happen to us, then it is an action that when taken damages our own souls.

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