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March 19, 2008

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Angus

There is no prospect that chimpanzees will start writing symphonies or discover the inverse-square law of gravity. To base a claim to personhood on this idea is ludicrous. I too believe that, ideally, all sentient beings should qualify as persons. (A person is, fundamentally, someone who counts, who is recognized as a member of the moral community.) But I don't agree with your everyone-or-no-one approach, Mary. It is inconceivable to me that society will overnight go from denying that any animals are persons to accepting that all sentient creatures are. Legal recognition of the non-human great apes as persons (even on the basis of their sophisticated mental faculties) would be a huge blow against speciesism. It would be the wedge in the door. If widely accepted, it would destroy the doctrine of human exceptionalism. Once we admit that we humans are not the only creatures who count, there is real hope for widespread change.

Mary Martin

Angus,
I can't say that legal recognition of great apes wouldn't be a wedge in the door. My concern is that the concept in itself is speciesist as it sets them atop a hierarchy that I think is dangerous because it's based on some human-defined concept of worth rather than on sentience.

Dan

I agree, Mary. As a species and society, we are amazingly stubborn when it comes to making grossly arbitrary (read: utterly irrational) moral distinctions and blindly and selfishly insisting on them.

It is already the case that there’s a huge arbitrary distinction between what’s acceptable to do to chimps or dogs versus what’s acceptable to do to cows, pigs, or chickens. Giving personhood status to chimps may help chimps, but it would do no more for, e.g. pigs, cows, or chickens than our current recognition of the personhood of mentally disabled humans does for pigs, cows and chickens.

What we need is a society where a politically-significant critical mass of the population has gone vegan for moral reasons. Only then does it make sense to enter politics and legislation and change laws. Until that time, the only effort that is worth anything is vegan education and outreach (of course, this implies that the advocate is vegan; if the advocate is not vegan, the effort is hypocritical nonsense).

Kenneth Cassar

Legal recognition of great apes as persons will not be a huge blow to speciesism, particularly if the recognition rests on similarity to humans, just as recognition of some black people as legal persons due to being "sufficiently white" in the slavery era was not a huge blow to racism.

As long as we keep insisting that humans are "above" all other animals, and that our interests matter more, speciesism will prevail. Simply granting priviledged status to some animals found to be "nearly or sufficiently human" will not end speciesism. On the contrary, it will entrench it further.

Similarity to humans matters only with respect to interests that are similar to ours. Other animals have other interests. Sentience should be sufficient for regognizing basic rights such as the right to life and liberty. Any other requirements would be arbitrary, self-centred and speciesist.

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