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April 08, 2008

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Nick

It's pathetic that humans constantly try to squeeze every penny out of the animals they enslave. This brings up a question I should ask, though. I'm sure you've heard of Koko, the gorilla who became famous for learning American Sign Language. She and her former counterpart, Michael, painted quite a few paintings. From what I understand, they were not forced to do so. However, their paintings are for sale by the Gorilla Foundation, so money is being made. While it's deplorable that a zoo would force an elephant to paint, would you consider it acceptable for an organization to profit from the voluntarily created paintings of more intelligent primates? I guess this brings up a larger question of the ethics of interacting with primates, or any other hyper-intelligent non-humans. I know that the "use" of these animals is not vegan. However, is it so bad for creatures so much like humans to behave as humans? And is there not a line to be drawn between slavery and dependency? That is to say, children and slaves have in common the fact that they cannot leave their guardians, yet there is a clear distinction between being a minor and being a slave. I know this has nothing to do with the elephant now, but would you consider captive primates who are treated well slaves or minors? And while it is clearly unethical to profit off your "slaves," is it exploitative to sell your "children's" artwork? I feel like I have presented a sort of speciesist slippery-slope argument, with which I am far from satisfied, and I am curious to hear your opinion. And I suppose one must also take into account that gorillas are endangered, so lovingly keeping one in captivity is a lot like taking in a stray dog that would otherwise be killed.

Mary Martin

Hi Nick,

You ask:"is it so bad for creatures so much like humans to behave as humans?" I don't see it that way. They could very well be behaving like primates.

Furthermore, as I see it, children and slaves don't have that much in common once you consider that slaves were property so their owners were their owners. They actually owned them. Parents do not "own" their children. Animals are indeed property, just like slaves. Well-treated primates are well-treated property. They are well-treated slaves.

Also, I am of the mind that gorillas are not ours to manage, therefore, I don't think "lovingly keeping one in captivity" is acceptable. The only exception for me is wildlife who cannot survive in their natural habitats. Sanctuaries, assuming they have adequate land and the animals are permitted to run free, are okay in my mind.

Here's my personal litmus test: Is the individual unable to survive without help? If so, it's a matter of life and death and intervening is acceptable. Similarly, no matter what ridiculous scenario someone gives me where it's me versus an animal, I ask: Do I need to hurt or kill the animal or hold her captive to ensure my survival? Do I NEED to do that? If I don't, I cannot morally justify the action.

But that's me.

Dan

Mary, you mentioned the word “misanthrope” in this blog entry and I started wondering if I’m a misanthrope.

I think the question of whether I’m a misanthrope is a good one and needs some exploration. I might do a blog essay on it sometime. For now, I think that I’m not a misanthrope from the standpoint of hating or being angry at our species or humans-in-general (mainly because I accept determinism and deny free-will). However, under a more broad definition of thinking of our species as *generally* being technological geniuses and moral imbeciles, and having a healthy dose of contempt for the moral imbecility of most people, I might qualify as a misanthrope. Is it elitist of me to think that way? Maybe (or maybe not), but probably less elitist than the elitism of the person who would accuse me of elitism in this regard. Further, it’s not so elitist when you think of the idea that all I’m asking is that we refrain from such obvious harms as intentionally killing and exploiting innocent others.

Anyway, if I’m a misanthrope, I’m certainly a cheerful one at that.

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