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April 05, 2008

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roger yates

first - please excuse the one-finger typing everyone. i have broken m collar bone playing football [that's soccer for you north american folk].

mary - i can feel your frustration in your words. haven't we all seen these programmes that seem to say something good and important one minute and then contradict it with some crass comment or point a minute later?

the overarching frustration for animal right advocates - especially because this is exactly what many animal protectionists say also - is contained in that early comment about what's at issue is the right to welfare. no! animal rights is about respecting the rights of sentient others, and that means not commodifying them in the first place, regardless of the amount of welfarist control and regulation we are prepared to supply.

in a very real sense, once a nonhuman individual is bred by humans she is henceforth at the mercy of the welfarists and those to fail to provide welfare.

roger

Elaine Vigneault

You wrote:
Oprah says, "The reason why so many dogs have to be put down is because America isn't spaying and neutering their pets." (At which point I was screaming "And because we keep breeding them!") Good, but also bad.

I'll add:
Also, because there aren't enough shelters and most shelters have a kill policy. If shelters worked harder at finding homes, they could find more homes. And if there were more shelters, we could manage the homeless dogs without killing them.

I also agree with you and Roger. Breeding must be stopped.

Mary Martin

I agree, Elaine. The only no-kill shelter in my neighborhood just burned down to the ground. 14 cats died. I recently quit volunteering at the turtle rehab place as it conflicted with my beliefs in many ways. Maybe the no-kill is the place for me. The kill shelter is the place with all the money and community support, and which has fundraisers at hamburger joints (I kid you not). Meanwhile, the no kill does great work and goes unacknowledged. They take the pit bulls and rehab them. They take the rottweilers. But people don't like that so they don't support them.

It all seems so unjust.

Lenn

I know this comment is a little late, but I only recently found out about Oprah's show & was led to this post. I really wanted to find someplace to see the whole episode, but no luck.

Your synopsis was good & appreciated. Based on what you wrote, it sounds like the show is exactly what I'd expect. It certainly is good to get good coverage of the puppy mill issues, cruelty, & overpopulation / spay-neuter. Those things never get covered.

The "responsible breeder" concept has always stunned me, especially coming from so-called animal people who seem to live for the spay & neuter message. The fact is that spay & neuter is important because there aren't enough homes for all the animals that currently exist. So it's no jump at all to see that "responsible breeders" are adding to that problem. That's not complex at all.

The spay/neuter advocates who endorse "responsible breeders" are worried about looking "unreasonable". Those kinds of people never want to tell other people that something should be stopped completely. They want to find "reasonable" compromises so nobody dislikes them.

When the animal person says something advocating "responsible breeders", I kindly and dispassionately take them step by step through the logic that shows them the truth. After that, if they still want to deny it to themselves, their brains are going to have to work overtime to find a way.

As far as the issue of animals not being for human use AT ALL, I would love to make a video of someone advocating the humane treatment of African slaves (but not freeing them), then a statement of someone saying the same thing about animals. Maybe it would point out the absurdity of the animal welfarist way of thinking (though I don't bash welfarists in general because I'm uncomfortable with the way the label is attached to people).

Thank you!

Lenn

I forgot:

"I recently quit volunteering at the turtle rehab place as it conflicted with my beliefs in many ways."

I think that's the turtle hospital that got an IFAW award, right? I saw the show about the award winners, and I remember feeling that their intentions and perspectives were not quite where they should be. If I remember correctly, it wasn't started for all the right reasons & there is more priority on making people happy (like visitors) than the animals.

"...the no kill does great work and goes unacknowledged. They take the pit bulls and rehab them. They take the rottweilers. But people don't like that so they don't support them."

How sad. It sounds like they are far more deserving of your help and they need some good marketing!

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