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April 23, 2008

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Elaine Vigneault

Mary wrote: "Once you couch your objection in the language of suffering, you have no choice but to accept any resolution that seeks to reduce suffering, otherwise you look like you're against reducing suffering."

I disagree. I think you can talk about suffering AND use. I don't think there is always a bright-line difference between welfarism and abolition. It's not always a dichotomy; sometimes it's continuum.

I think you can "couch objection in suffering" without accepting that any reduction in suffering at any cost is acceptable.

Furthermore, I think the vast majority of people who reach an animal rights perspective traveled through a variety of philosophies to get there and began with more of a welfarist approach. That speaks to the notion that there is a continuum of thought, not just a pure dichotomy.

That said, I agree with the vast majority of your objections to the NY Times article. They were WAY off in their conclusion that there is such a thing as humane meat. There is no such thing.

Mary Martin

Elaine,

I've written several times about the spectrum of what we eat/how we live. Here's a recent one: http://www.animalperson.net/animal_person/2008/03/revisiting-the.html

You can talk about suffering and use, sure. But, again, if your argument is about use, the other person has nowhere to go but non-use. If your argument is suffering, and they propose a measure that will reduce suffering, you've just agreed to use, not to mention suffering. I see a very, very bright line between welfare and abolition when it comes to campaigns and what I would spend time and money supporting. I used to be what Gary Francione would call a "new welfarist," but I am now convinced that the intellectual dishonesty necessary for that is not something I'm willing to stand for. Cognitive dissonance is something I like to avoid if I can.

But that's me.

Elaine Vigneault

By the way, I wrote my own deconstruction here:
http://www.elainevigneault.com/deconstructing-meat-propaganda.html
And I quoted you, favorably :)

Also, thanks for the call to action at the end. I always appreciate it when bloggers invoke a "here's what you can do" in their critical posts. It really helps the reader feel less apathetic or sad and helps inspire motivation to get active.

Nathan Schneider

(1) http://www.foodsforlife.org.uk/people/Donald-Watson-Vegan/Donald-Watson.html
An interview with Donald Watson

(2) http://www.vgt.at/publikationen/texte/artikel/20080325Abolitionism/index_en.php
"Abolitionism versus Reformism" by Martin Balluch

We are told that we need vegetarianism (1) and welfarism (2) as stepping stones to veganism and abolition. I could not disagree more. These are simple inductive fallacies, and they are severely hindering our progress.

Deductive arguments arrive at conclusions that, if the premises are correctly stated, are necessarily (100%) true. Deductive reasoning generally flows from the general (rules/laws/theories/facts) to the specific (instances/cases). Inductive arguments reach conclusions that are, best case, strongly suggested by the premises... but might also be specious. Inductive reasoning usually flows from the specific to the general. In the following examples, specific observations are translated into general theories that, upon inspection, don't hold up well.

Example One: It is observed that many humans have been vegetarian before being vegan. Thus, it is concluded (improperly) that vegetarianism is required to advance veganism.

Example Two: It is observed that many humans are attracted to and supportive of welfarist perspectives and campaigns before they accept the proposition of basic nonhuman rights, and the abolition such rights require. Thus, it is concluded (improperly) that welfarism is required to advance abolitionism.

Both fallacies assume that, concerning the future, the way things have been... are binding and should provide guidance. That what has been happening, is the way things must continue to happen. These fallacies ignore the relevant ideological paradigms. Vegetarianism and welfarism have been, and continue to be, the dominant norms concerning our relationship with nonhumans. Most humans perturbed by said relationship do initially adopt these norms. But this in no way suggests that the current norms are necessary steps toward the norms we wish to establish. Humans embrace welfarism and vegetarianism because they predominate; we see them first.

Both fallacies do not properly recognize the more logical pathways to veganism and abolition. We can advance veganism and abolition directly (the former being the lived expression of the latter). We can go after what we want, without concession or compromise. Recipients of vegan advocacy (delivered with an abolitionist perspective), can either go vegan immediately (it does happen), or transition to veganism. The logical step between non-vegan and vegan, is an individual who has not completely expunged exploitation from their life. The step (less vegan that fully vegan) is ethically aligned with the goal. Vegetarianism (eggs, dairy, fish, skin, hair, rodeos, whatever = acceptable), as a step, is not ethically aligned with the goal, and is therefore inimical to it. Veganism rejects all use, but vegetarianism embraces several uses, and ignores the rest.

Welfarism does encourage humans to be more "humane" toward nonhumans, but in a bizarre manner that focuses on questions of cruelty and suffering, thereby obscuring our underlying use of nonhumans. Suggesting that, consistent with the utilitarian philosophy informing it, whatever appears to mitigate cruelty or suffering is worthy or celebration and promotion. Abolitionism considers nonhumans to be rights bearers, and demands that their use be terminated immediately, as a moral matter, and incrementally with the spread of veganism, as a practical matter. The moral sympathy conditioned by the abolitionist approach instructs: veganism. The moral sympathy conditioned by welfarism instructs: the pursuit of industry regulations, excitement about any move along their cruelty spectrum, and veganism as an extreme and difficult method of reducing suffering — typically suitable only for fanatics and ascetics. Welfarism is not ethically aligned with the abolitionist approach, and is therefore inimical to it. Abolition can be promoted and advanced directly, through uncompromising and unequivocal vegan advocacy. The current step between now and abolition, is more vegans.

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