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May 09, 2008

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Elaine Vigneault

Thank you for addressing this. I'm vegan and don't support many of the companies I've formerly invested in (by default because of no choice in my former company's 401k). But I also need to plan for my financial future. I rolled my account over into another not-so-ethical investment firm just because that was convenient and easy at the time. But now I have a bit more money, so I have more real choices.

Another ethical alternative is investing in one's own business, which can be vegan :) I plan to do that, to open my own business in the near future.

I'm really glad you're considering the needs to vegans and helping to encourage your readers to be financially responsible. We all need to plan for the future. Our vegan diets will likely ensure that we have long, healthy lives, so we ought to plan well for them.

Dan

I agree, Mary, financial planning for the future is important. Thanks for the Blue Marble tip.

As to unabashed vegan capitalists, I’ll chime in as someone who does not have a problem with things like market economies and wealth accumulation, per se. What I have a problem with (albeit, I’m generally apolitical except for animal rights) is specific and significant injustices and abuses within any given market economy. I prefer markets that are reasonably fair, not necessarily free, and I’m willing to pay the cost in overall societal wealth to achieve more equality. IOW, I’m all for liberty until we start “othering”, excluding, and significantly oppressing.

The “pro-market economy” endorsement is the politically conservative side of me that sees the folly of central planning and forced communism given human nature (broadly speaking) and other factors (such as market knowledge). The justice and equality side of me (i.e. the “leftist” in me) would like to see a big, fat inheritance tax (and a few other taxes on certain undesirable “goods”), the proceeds of which would go to educate economically disadvantaged kids to give them a fairer start in our *so-called* “meritocracy” (and no, it’s no more “double taxation” than ANY other tax – the double-tax argument is a glaring fallacy). I’d also like to see permanent mandatory 2-year military service for anyone of the current draft age who passes capability tests, absolutely INCLUDING the sons and daughters of wealthy weapons manufacturers, military suppliers, senators, and presidents (!!!) (in fact, the public spotlight should be on these people’s kids). Perhaps this country wouldn’t be so war-happy if the kids of the more affluent sector of the bourgeoisie and politically powerful had a decent chance of catching a bullet or explosion and not coming home (or coming home deformed).

*The apolitical guy who just offended everybody within the entire political spectrum steps off his soap box now* ;-)

Mary Martin

Dan,
I agree on the military service and I do think the tax structure is a disaster. I'm oddly pro market if it were actually fair. We don't appear to be going in that direction. I'd also like to see required service--humanitarian or otherwise. I've always told my husband that if we had a child I'd want to use her vacation times (if she weren't homeschooled) to do service work here and abroad. Of course his response is: "What? No golf camp? No skiing in Val d'Isere? Oy.)

And Dan and Elaine (Dan, you're probably already familiar)--perhaps you might want to look into Rocky Mountain Humane Investing (http://www.greeninvestment.com), supposedly the first to establish Animal Testing and Humane issues as a screening criteria.

Dan

Mary,

I agree that it’s not going in that direction.

I also agree that humanitarian service would be good, perhaps as a part of military service (e.g. 1 year military training, 1 year humanitarian service, unless there’s a war). About service work during vacation, that sounds good for the long summer break of what, two-three months? About 6 weeks of service work in the summer sounds good. I’d leave vacation during the school year for fun and R&R, though – all work and no play makes life at least dull, if not intolerable.

I wasn’t familiar with Rocky Mountain Humane Investing (although I’m a CPA in public practice, I’m not involved in personal tax or financial planning); thanks for that tip! I have my retirement funds in real estate, which while it is far from perfect, is about as good as I can do socially, ethically, and environmentally speaking, given that our firm participates in a retirement program which limits our choices (especially with regard to socially responsible investing). My other option is to opt out of the firm’s tax-advantaged plan, which is financially disastrous. That said, I do have a little savings outside of the firm’s program, some of which I may be able to direct toward RMHI.

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