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Joseph

*Bangs head against wall* What the hell is wrong with these people?! All of these compassionate (sic) omnivores have serious psychological issues.

Fredrik Fält

That "Letter to the Lambs" was scary. Talk about distorted reality.

I find it very interesting to see the comment from Roger Horowitz
"So there's a great market opportunity for people to talk about what really happens when you eat meat and tell people that it's okay."

This is what Gary Francione has been saying for a long time (and been ridiculed for). "Happy meat" only makes people feel good about eating meat and is nothing any AR organization should be involved with.

Angus

Although "carnivore" means "meat eater", it properly applies to species that are biologically built to live almost exclusively on flesh. By referring to human meat-eaters as "carnivores", these authors imply that a departure from meat-eating is unnatural. At least "omnivore" suggests that meat-eating is optional. I'm not concerned whether humans should be biologically classed as omnivores rather than herbivores. (Chimpanzees, despite some opportunistic meat-eating, are classed as "fructivores" -- fruit eaters.) The point is that we have a choice about our diets.

In one sense this outbreak of books about "compassionate carnivores" is good news. It suggests that the idea that meat-eating is not compassionate (or healthy, or environmentally friendly) is getting out there. In the "developed" nations things have moved past the "ignore you" stage to somewhere between the "laugh at you" stage and the "fight you" stage. Unfortunately, there's no guarantee we'll ever get to "then you win".

Mary Martin

These authors must know that we're not carnivores and the only debate, biologically, would be omnivore versus herbivore. The use of carnivore, to me, is like rubbing my nose in the fact that they've chosen to eat animals when it's so clear that they don't need to. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but all of this usage of "carnivore," because it's so inaccurate and no one is taking them to task, is frightening. I fear that "then you win" Angus, isn't around the corner, as they will cling to their permission. They've been waiting for it for a long time, and it has finally arrived. And arrived. And arrived.

Abolitionists are more important than ever, as we appear to be the only clear voice amid the rationalization, denial and delusion.

Lenn

Another thoughtful and informative post, Mary!

I have never seen this issue addressed, but I want to address a little of the reality of the "small farmers" or "family farms". I live in a rural area. My piece of land is about 1-2 acres. There is nothing but land on all sides of me. And EVERYONE (except me) that lives around here exploits animals for profit, mostly cattle. Each "family farm" (average about 5-20 acres) has bulldozed practically every tree in sight.

While the cattle are mostly allowed to roam "free" on this land, they are left out in every kind of weather with no shelter. Often there is no shade for the endless 100 degree days, nor shelter for multiple days of icy rain. No medical care is given, leaving sick animals to suffer for days or weeks. If any cow dies, they just tie their bodies to the back of their pickup and drag them to some far corner of the field to rot.

On land that isn't being used for the cows to roam, they are spraying tons of toxic chemicals (herbicides & pesticides) to grow hay to feed those cattle. They will spray the stuff into the air when the wind is blowing 10-20 mph. Since March, I've been smelling the stuff continuously. Who knows how far away it's coming from. And it's perfectly legal.

They treat their dogs and companion animals just as horribly as their "livestock". They are most often hunters, too. It would be no stretch for anyone to understand what a complete lack of character these people have in all their dealings. They are very corrupt.

Deb at Invisible Voices had a good story about the horrors of a family farm that sells goat cheese. http://invisiblevoices.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/yet-more-babies-arrive-at-poplar-spring/

These are not people anybody should encourage or support. I wish before people supported some label, they would find out what the reality was.

Also, more vegans and abolitionists need to buy up rural land so we can prevent the hunting, livestock-raising, pesticide-polluting, land-developing, & animal exploiting that makes up almost all the rural-dwelling population. In other words, if we own the land, we say what happens on it. Then the wildlife would have safe places to live, we humans would have beautiful, healthy, natural environments to add to the world, etc.

Joselle Palacios

There's a greater pathology behind saying, "We watched you frolic and be free and when we ship you off to be terrified and tortured and killed in darkness, we will say thank you," than there is in someone who just eats meat but doesn't know the truth. The rationalizations one has to make to "thank" animals for their own slaughter is mind-blowing and sick. It shows a tremendous amount of arrogance and delusion. Additionally, it is a trendy and privileged line of thinking that most people on the planet can absolutely not afford, which goes to show how damn stupid it is.

Roger

Yes, isn't the picture of Friend appalling. It reminds me of the meat eaters who coo out of the train window as they pass lambs in the field - exploit them twice, why don'tcha?

You mentioned snuggling with their cuteness, Mary, and it reminded me of a time I nearly threw up in a store in Wales. There was a couple buying (battery) eggs, so the guy opens a carton and spies a small white feather attached to one egg. He strokes it and shows it to his partner: "ahhh", he says with a sickly smile.

"Ahhh", she says back. They chose this carton of eggs.

Give me strength (to hold the content of my stomach)...

Roger.

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