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June 10, 2008

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johanna

Maybe someone mentioned this previously, but if you don't want to give money to the author yet feel you need to own the book for reference, why not buy a used copy from Half.com, or from an independent used bookseller (tons are listed on abe.com)? If you have books you need to clear out & are willing to trade, you might even be able to score a copy for free from book-trading sites like Bookmooch.com.

And if you don't need to own the book, y'know, there's always that old-fangled place... the library. :)

Mary Martin

I'm sorry. I should've given more backstory. The book was just released and isn't on half.com. I believe housing works as a copy on the cheap, and my library system has one copy on order for each branch. I was going for the quick, free way (and without shipping) to buzz through the book (I hear it's not like reading Proust) so I could report back if there was anything interesting.

I do have a problem getting rid of books, I must admit. I hoard NOTHING. But when it comes to beloved books (at least not books in general), I am definitely challenged.

I haven't tried Bookmooch yet--thanks for the reminder!

Eric Prescott

Thanks for mentioning the BVA. I hope to see grassroots abolitionist vegan orgs sprouting up all over, and I am eager to help out with that however I can.

Mitchell

Thanks for posting this, it helps me begin to understand where the abolitionists are coming from.

My thoughts on your two criteria. First, is it really a reform? That I can certainly agree with. The reform has to make things better for animals or why should we expend effort backing it? But I think we are a little further apart on what make a reform a reform. I agree that the fate of male chicks is a travesty and needs to stop. But I am having trouble seeing why that means we can't make things better for the laying hens right now.

The point about banning 'downer' cattle from the food supply, you're absolutely right. That's not any sort of reform.

Your second point, does this move us toward eliminating animal use? Again, I certainly agree with the broad sentiment but we appear to differ on some of the details. Part of what getting rules and laws passed involves is education. If we can show people just what is being done to the animal that is the piece of veal on their plate, we can encourage to stop eating it. If we can force the veal producers to come forward and admit what goes on, we're a step closer to getting it stopped.

Anyway, I would be interested to hear your thoughts and those of your commenters. It may well be that I need to expand my thinking some more.

And I would definitely like to hear of some good charities.

Lee

With respect to Sea Shepherd, I think they are a wonderful organization that has done amazing work for decades. I realize that Paul Watson tends to be politically incorrect at times but without Sea Shepherd intervention I shudder to think what would happen to the whale populations.

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