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September 24, 2008

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Joseph

Friend never witnessed a "food animal" being murdered? WTF?!

"And she's read some material by "animal rights activists" and objects because she's not convinced that not eating animals is better for your health or the environment, and because she doesn't want anyone to tell her what to eat."

I wonder what she says in response to a question about forcing a rapist not to rape or forcing a murderer not to murder. After all, those two are "natural" as well. Hhhmm...

Nick

I am overwhelmed by frustration and despair.

Bea Elliott

Mary... I give you lots of credit for the fortitude of finishing such a book. "Know thy enemy" - I get it.

I didn't think it would be much more than desperate and predictable rationalizations. The whole happy meat culture savors the guilt-free myths as often as they can.

So Friend hasn't witnessed a slaughter??? It seems like it would be required initiation into their "compassionate" club. Instead, she writes a love letter to her lambs before sending them to their death(?). How sick!

But then what do I know, I'm just "betraying" all the animals by going veg - what a crock of hooey!

Angus

Gandhi was against people killing animals for food. (He even said he would allow himself to be killed by a tiger or a snake, rather than kill the animal to save himself, though he did not insist others follow his example in such an extreme case.) He wanted a system in India that would enable cattle to be used for milk, dung, and work in the fields, but would have them well cared for until the end of their natural lives; after they died, their hides could be made into leather. If Catherine Friend (friend to whom?) calls on Gandhi to back her up, I don't think he's going to answer unless she's prepared to radically alter the way she uses animals.

Here's Joy Williams, from her essay "The Animal People":

"If animals did have voices, and they could speak with the tongues of angels -- at the very least with the tongues of angels -- they would be unable to save themselves from us. What good would language do? Their mysterious otherness has not saved them, nor have their beautiful songs and coats and skins and shells and eyes. We discover the remarkable intelligence of the whale, the wolf, the elephant -- it does not save them, nor does our awareness of the complexity of their lives. Their strength, their skills, their swiftness, the beauty of their flights. It matters not, it seems, whether they are large or small, proud or shy, docile or fierce, wild or domesticated, whether they nurse their young or brood patiently on eggs. ... We learn more and more about them, and that has not saved them. We know that when they face Death, they fear it. We know that they care for their young and teach them, that they play and grieve, that they have memories and a sense of the future, for which they sometimes plan. We know about their habits, their migrations, that they have a sense of Home, of finding, seeking, returning to Home. We know these things, and it has not saved them. We know where they live on this planet, and nine times out of ten we will go there and …rout…them…out. Nothing that is animal, that is not us, cannot be slaughtered as a pest or sucked dry as a memento or reduced to a trophy or rendered into a product or eaten, eaten, eaten."

the Grimm Brothers

"The old woman had only pretended to be so kind; she was in reality a wicked witch, who lay in wait for children, and had only built the little house of bread in order to entice them there. When a child fell into her power, she killed it, cooked and ate it, and that was a feast day with her."

-- excerpt from Hansel and Gretel

red dog

Well said, Mary. And well said, Grimm Brothers.

Bea Elliott

It is a dire situation the animals are in... They are wanted too little and need to be controlled, relocated, de-populated and exterminated. Or they are wanted too much and need to be controlled, warehoused, bred and slaughtered. Either way, it always seems they lose.

Tom P

Wow. That last quote is unbelievable...

Dan

Heh, yeah, that last quote is an amazing statement of delusion. It’s as if someone said with a straight face and in all sincerity:

“Some people say that the best way to refrain from violence is to refrain from violence, but I’m here to testify that it’s just not true. The best way to refrain from violence is to actively engage in violence, and logic and “the numbers” back me up on that.”

Bea Elliott

The Miami Herald has a little piece about Friend - nothing we don't already know... Friend still "loves" the animals. She broke away from her busy "lambing season" for this interview: http://www.miamiherald.com/living/food/story/698821.html

Fortunately, I didn't waste much time in Friend's world of confused double speak but turn my attention instead to Colleen Patrick-Goudreau's latest podcast "Shearing of Sheep": http://feeds.feedburner.com/VegetarianFoodForThought

If I were a lamb... I know who I'd want to "love" me.

AJL

The reviews at Amazon and other stores are overwhelmingly positive; would those of you willing to read the book post your reviews?
http://www.amazon.com/Compassionate-Carnivore-Animals-MacDonalds-Hoofprint/dp/B001BQ1A6A
I'm currently boycotting Amazon due to their continued promotion of animal-fighting videos and magazines, but posting a negative comment might reach some people who would otherwise buy this book.

Mary Martin

AJL- I posted a review on Amazon. There are 3 other negative reviews.

Patricia

I would not have been able to read that book...Thank you for doing it. I don't understand her definition of 'love'....I don't kill those who I love.

Lisa "The Vegas Vegan"

I'm disgusted by the idea that she wrote a love letter to her lambs before sending them to slaughter. As if they care. If her conscience does speak to her, then she shouldn't kill them in the first place. Our hearts tell us that killing is wrong, pressure from society tells us to ignore it. It takes a lot of strength to remove yourself from the cycle of death, it only takes cowardice to write a letter.

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