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December 08, 2008

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rich

Thanks for posting the info on the Humane Ed. resolution. A resolution has no teeth but making the public and educators aware of this law and the requirements is a huge first step. I will speak to my principal to see if I can rearrange my schedule that day and take some personal time to attend the conference and vote.
One thing not mentioned in the article is we can let teachers and administrators know of the NY state law as well as in the twelve other states that have similar laws (including Florida) http://www.teachkind.org/laws.asp

Bea Elliott

Very interesting about states that actually have humane education laws... At my AR activist meeting the other day, we decided to start outreach by getting schools lined up for talks on the negative aspects of animal agriculture... cruelty, environment and so forth - A side note, is that as a result of dwindling funds, most schools now are reducing/eliminating field trips - so they are welcoming class speakers as an alternative...

Hey, this is great - a tanking economy leads to fewer class outtings to dairy farms - :)

And about the tuna... maybe scientists ought to start playing some statistical verbal jui jitsu? Maybe if they recommended a cap on 5 tons of blue fin... they may have gotten the compromise at 15? Maybe if they said the icecaps will be gone in 10 years... Government and "environmentalists" would react like as if they had "only" 20 years to solve the problem? Cause goodness knows - doing anything that is actually the solution "now" - is just too radical - Jeeze...

John 4 Bluefin

Absolutely correct on your views about shaping long term sustainability quotas for the bluefin take. Given the lack of action from policy makers, I have started a ground campaign to help voice concern about the bluefin. http://www.savethebluefin.com is a social network, that's free to join and let's people have a voice. I think public awareness is the bluefin's last hope and I am not standing idle while the policy makers try and banish one of the ocean's greatest creatures. Thanks for posting about the bluefin. Every voice counts.

Adam Kochanowicz

With "humane education" being a keyword, my BS flag went up, but perhaps I'm a little confused, is this about the humane treatment of domestic animals and such? I assume, by the fact you support this, it is not teaching about cage-free eggs and "humanely"-raised slave animals?

mary martin

Adam,
What I can say is my experience, which is the Humane Education program youngsters go to at Caring Fields sanctuary in Martin County (just north of Palm Beach County). There is a presentation about all animals and how they deserve to live their lives free of suffering at our hands, a connection between cats and dogs and cows and chickens, a vegan lunch, and then the kids (and adults, too. The former foster youth from Turtle Nest Village recently went, and they're ages 18-23.) then visit the horses and feed them carrots and apples, and then they go to the cat section (the one with all the little houses) and learn how the cats got there (they were a feral cat colony that Jupiter Island wanted to destroy, but instead they were all trapped, sterilized and moved to their little houses).

NOW, that is my experience of humane education in Florida (the animal rights foundation of Florida also does vegan-based programs). I don't know what happens elsewhere--we might be lucky. Humane education might mean be-nice-to-cats-and-dogs (which isn't so bad) everywhere else. I went to a day-long workshop for humane educators, and it was vegan-based. But again, that was here ... And Rae Sikora spoke at one workshop I went to and all of her stories were about getting kids to connect chickens to dogs and cats and they were vegan based. I appreciate the question, though, as I'm just going on my experience, which could very well be not at all the norm.

Patty

The Humane Education section of California law simply states that animals shall be treated humanely when part of a school sponsored activity. This includes experimenting on live anials, etc. However, it states, "The provisions of this section are not intended to prohibit or
constrain vocational instruction in the normal practices of animal
husbandry."

Basically, the law says nothing in the state of "happy cows."

rich

So the bill was tabled and essentially shot down due to some arm twisting by Christine Quinn. There is a full article here http://www.humanenyc.org/2008/12/council_members_vote_on_humane.html Sadly my councilwoman Melinda Katz was absent from the vote so there is no way to know if she would have changed sides or not.

Adam Kochanowicz

Thanks for addressing my question, Mary. Indeed, this is a different usage

I want to make a quick response to Patty. I don't know if this is relevant, but the welfarist-lauded Proposition two actually has an exception for animals in education, fairs, etc. We should also ask ourselves what they mean by "humanely" who's to say what is or is not humane?

I think what is meant in most cases (perhaps the case of this article excepted) is that the animals are to be treated humanely "given the circumstances".

Bea Elliott

Speaking of humane education - ran across this organization called Bridges of Respect...
"Children trained to extend justice, kindness, and mercy to animals become more just, kind and considerate in their relations with one another. Character training along these lines in youths will result in men and women of broader sympathies; more law-abiding in every respect more valuable citizens."
U.S. National Parent-Teacher Association Congress

Looks promising :)
http://www.bridgesofrespect.org/


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