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May 06, 2009

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Roger


Hi Mary,

I have not read this - but it looks for all the world to be an account of a "health vegan" with little ethics involved.

RY

Elaine Vigneault

This kind of thing makes me want to poke out my own eyes.

beforewisdom

It has been 29 years since I went vegetarian. The last 14 years I have been a vegan. I started off as what is derisively called a "health vegan". My motivations for staying vegan have since changed. However, starting off as health buff, I have kept well read about nutritional issues since then.

To be absolutely clear, I am not a health or medical expert in any capacity.

In the past 3 decades I have seen two things happen repeatedly:

1. Research confirming and discovering new ways in which vegan diets are
healthy/healtheir.

2. Authors with questionable health/medical credentials, with an axe to grind or money to make, stating extreme claims about how unhealthy vegan diets are. Often some of them are ex-vegans or ex-vegetarians who claimed to do everything right.

In regards to #2 I have yet to see any such claims stand up to scrutiny.

In regards to her health issues it seems as if most people, vegans, non-vegans as well as some doctors don't understand the importance of not confusing correlation for causation. If we as society understood that the fad diet book industry would vanish overnight.

I've had chronic debilitating illnesses. It can make you angry about what you miss out on and it makes you feel powerless. You want something to blame. I don't begrudge Keith for that very human motivation and I sincerely hope she is freed from her spinal issues (whatever it was caused by )someday.

If Keith's book does not have footnotes/endnotes and citations to clinical studies it is an anecdotal opinion as far as I am concerned, of very little factual value.

If she does have citations I would love to buy a copy and send it to Dr. Michael Greger M.D. of the HSUS. He keeps up on the latest research and he is quite good at evaluating citations. A good example of Dr. Greger's expertise in evaluating citations is in his book Carbophobia, in which he rips apart the claims of the Atkin's corporation for their diet being validated by scientific research.

TomOfMaine

Sadly, Lierre has been snared, thoroughly conditioned by, and with this book has sold out to the vehemently pro-meat/dairy, anti-veg/vegan weston price foundation (wpf). This is a DC-based lobbying group whose members consist of "farmers", which of course means they breed, confine and kill animals in order to sell their parts and fluids for profit (not to mention their own culinary enjoyment on top of that). The wpf and it's disciples are completely responsible for all the soy/vegan-bashing of the past decade, with the reason being that their main agenda is to scare/persuade caring, compassionate people, who have either chosen or are thinking of choosing veg, into either continuing or resuming their consumption of animal parts and fluids. They bash, demean and fearmonger against the compassionate veg/vegan lifestyle to the point where their followers become hostile to it, which is their goal. They claim to be anti-industrial agriculture, eco-concerned, etc, but then instead of focusing their energies on eliminating animal agriculture (which is responsible for 80% or more of all industrial agriculture due to the fact that the vast majority of all crops (including soy) grown, are funneled through animals for meat/dairy production), they instead attack the vegetarian lifestyle. It is a very selfish, sad agenda, and is yet another strike against the planet. By the way, I asked Derrick Jensen exactly how this book "saved his life." His response, "it got me off wheat", which of course has nothing to do with the "vegetarian myth". Very misleading and very sad.

All Means Justifiable

How it saved Derrick Jensen (who is a vegan, as far as I know)?

Well, the following is from another forum ( http://tinyurl.com/p9579h ):

For the record, I wrote Derrick Jensen a little while back just to find out exactly how that book "saved his life".
The answer, which has nothing to do with the "Vegetarian myth", was that it "got him off wheat". So he must have had a wheat allergy/sensitivity, and didn't realize it. Sadly, many of his fans will see his comment about the book and assume that it is in reference to something to do with being veg/vegan.

Brandon Becker

There is helpful discussion about this book in the comments section at:
http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/vegetarian-myth-lierre-keith/

Brandon Becker

All Means Justifiable,

Derrick Jensen is not vegan, he eats animal flesh. Disregarding his own ethics, Jensen consumes the flesh of "domesticated" animals, thus supporting food-industry enslavement and slaughter as well as wholesale environmental destruction. In my opinion, animal rights advocates should cease giving Jensen any support.

veggiedude

Lierre Keith should watch this short video and then explain, how do Shaolin monks thrive on a vegan diet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZwmluSn_T0

BTW, I have been veg for over 30 yrs now, and a practicing martial artist for just as long.

Anna

I can"t believe how many people critize this book while openly admitting they didn't read it!
read it, for god's sake, it's so much better than you think. don't just believe random quotations. the book is a beautiful pro-life statement that clearly explains that life is sacred. what it does is to explain the connections between agriculture, meat production and the destruction of the environment. read it, you won't regret it, especially if you are vegan, it's essential knowledge for all of us, no matter what diet we prefer.

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