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June 17, 2009

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Stephanie E.

If this had a like button, I'd click on it.

ARPhilo

HAHA this cracked me up.

John

Huh!..are we going to start seeing the phrase "higher welfare eggs" on egg cartons now?? Some...a lot...MOST people just don't get it do they?

Bill

Dear Dr Martin,

Oh dear. CiWF might as well be sending you penis enlargement spam.

I am finding your blog thoughtful and interesting, but may I enter a defense for the first group of irksome promoters?

Not all websites are a web log, and so not everyone who recognises your work would do so by linking to it. (A "web blog", for those who are neither ubergeeks nor language experts, is an online diary of links with commentary and criticism, and from it is derived the word "blog", which has become a more general term for an online diary with comments.) For example, Verdant Reports has a five minute podcast on vegan food in Thailand with links to sites offering more information. But it does not have any posts which simply say "this is interesting: have a look". This was a conscious decision because people like you are already doing a web log for vegans really well.

Websites have had link exchanges since at least 1995, so reciprocity is woven into the cultural norms of the internet. Web loggers who link to Verdant Reports generally ask me to link back. But expecting someone to link just because they are asking you for a link is asking them to act on the basis of "scratch my back" reciprocity instead of what fits in with their site or is what they're trying to do for their audience. Yes, this is a counsel of perfection. And I'm going to compromise and post a page of "Thank you for linking" links.

But at heart, if you do thoughtful analysis and promotion of stuff which is already on the net, and I think my stuff is the kind of thing you might be interested in, then what's wrong with letting you know?

Cheers,

Bill

(PS: I checked, and I do not think I have ever asked you to plug my podcast.)

Mary Martin

Bill,
I think we're talking about 2 different things.

Linking to people whose work you admire, or as a way to present multiple views of your topic, isn't really what irks me. It's the people, particularly who don't support me as I'm a bit of an outsider, and who want me to support them, or who show up only to say: Hey, what you're saying reminds me of something I wrote (followed by the link) that irk me. No participation in the discussion other than: Look at me. This is a pet peeve of mine and perhaps it's not nice of me, but alas . . .

And recently, someone friended me on FB with a note that said: I think you'll find my new book interesting (or something like that). The foreword was written by Wayne Pacelle!
Clearly, this person didn't do much pondering of my FB page prior to pressing Send Message. That kind of reckless self-promotion doesn't sit well with me.

Mylène Ouellette

"I want to see the end of farms that use sentient nonhumans. An end. Not a change in the way they do things. An end."

I wish more people felt this way, particular my vegetarian friends and (sadly) far too many of my fellow-vegans.

Louche

Well-said, Mary. Yesterday a woman from Greenpeace stopped fellow vegan leafletter and me on the sidewalk on our way back from Sticky Fingers (vegan) Bakery. She wanted us to sign a petition for "sustainable seafood" and told us she'd just talked to a vegan who refused to sign because she didn't support fishing at all. She continued to ask us if we'd like to sign. At this point, we said, "Yeah, we don't support fishing either." And that was that. Hope the next vegan that woman ran into took the time to explain to her that vegans simply don't support fishing. (But I suppose the PETA and other welfarists/Prop 2-boasters will ruin that one.)

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