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July 03, 2009

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Dan

I realize that I'm very much in the minority of the minority here, but I see all of this cognitive and moral ethology as interesting from a scientific standpoint, but utterly irrelevant in considering our moral obligations to nonhumans. Rather, I agree with Gary Francione that sentience and only sentience is sufficient for full inclusion in the moral community. Indeed, if nonhumans must be ranked according to human-like mental traits, then the whole project of animal protection is extremely speciesist and a waste of time.

Dan

I also find descriptive (scientific/empirical) statements of moral behavior interesting, but irrelevant to evaluative statements of morality. The factual claims of what is have no relevance to factual claims of what should be.

John Carbonaro

I agree with Dan. Yet, people seem to need familiarity (see themselves in others) or in this case, mutuality (see others as themselves). Steven Best's article "Minding the Animals.." speaks to how many traits cross back and forth between all animals (human/nonhuman-whatever your labeling preferences) by degree :

"Not only do nonhuman animals have culture, art, technology, and morality, they invented them (or were active agents of their development) within their social context, environmental conditions and constraints, and evolutionary dynamics. Humans are animals and any human capacity or potential pre-existed in other animals, and humans could only enjoy these capacities as they do because of the vast sweep of evolutionary development and animal dynamics that existed prior to Homo sapiens and our ancient ancestors".

Is all of this necessary to consider beyond 'basic' sentience? Not for me, but perhaps for many others if societal progress (with respect towards animals) is to be made.

Nick

I agree with Dan and John, but I also think that this book sounds interesting as a work of ethology, leaving animal rights aside.

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