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August 09, 2009

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stevetshirt

...Ahhhh yes Mary, good read. But, where does it say it's now ok to eat them? ;) (sarcastic)

ARPhilo

Hmmm, does it help? I don't know. I would say that, although you are right on about the speciesism, it's nice to have these stats around. Animals are as "smart" as kids. So, if you wouldn't beat, test on, starve, neglect, breed, orphan, etc a kid, then you should not do it to a dog.

I think what irks me more is that there are rarely studies that show how intelligent animals like rats are... They only pick the animals that are already in the companionship circle. Imagine what would happen to science and "pest" control if people had to face that rats were much like dogs...

Anyways, nice analysis.

Morganna

I think it is good for dogs. Isn't your point, always, that dogs (and other animals) are like us? You, and other people like you, are thinking in terms of the animals being like us just because they are sentient, too. But most people don't think in terms of feeling compassion towards other sentient beings just because that's what's right. But thinking that a dog is like a two year old, well, that's different. Most people aren't cruel to two year olds, so they might think twice about being cruel to a dog if they think of it like a human two year old. (There are exceptions, of course, who would be cruel to a human two year old, but I don't think there's much anyone could say to prevent them being cruel, to humans, dogs, or anyone else. Something else is needed for them than just comparing dogs to human toddlers. But I think that's beyond the scope of this discussion.)

Kristen

Karen Dawn wrote about this in her book with Elephants and the X mirror test. I think elephants really don't care if they have an X on their forehead and it definitely doens't mean they are less intelligent because they aren't vain.

I am against tests that compare animals intelligence on human scales, but most humans or humancentric and therefore sometimes need to see that we aren't the only intelligent beings on this planet through tests they would approve of.

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